Thanks to Jed, a FB group “Save Oregon” follower did some research by himself and an attorney. He warns, “You assume the risk of any actions you take based on this information.”
But the conclusion is self evident, “This means our liberties are restored by the Oregon Constitution already as of April 7.” And Brown knows this. She’s hoping you are stupid and ignorant to buy her more time to harm Trump and the economy because critical thinkers know this plandemic was a political stunt at the cost of Trump and small business.
Jed continues, “Over the past week, I have studied the Oregon Constitution and some of the relevant statutes, and conferring with an attorney concerning my learnings via email. Friday evening, I had a lengthly conversation with the attorney, confirming what I’ve been suggesting. From my understanding, here’s how the law applies regarding the Oregon Governor’s Executive Orders and emergency powers.
The Oregon Constitution and statutory law give the governor broad powers under an emergency declaration. The Governor’s Executive Orders have not necessarily been unconstitutional concerning their intent and restrictions, especially considering precedence set by case law. But there’s more…
The Governor declared an emergency through Executive Order 20-03 (https://www.oregon.gov/gov/Documents/executive_orders/eo_20-03.pdf) on March 8, 2020, invoking her full emergency powers. The executive order states that the “emergency shall exist for sixty days” from that date. However, the Oregon Constitution Article 10-A Section 6 limits the length of time the Governor is allowed to have such broad emergency powers.
“Section 6. Termination of operation of this Article; extension by Legislative Assembly; transition provisions; limitation on power of Governor to invoke this Article.
(1) Except as provided in subsection(2) of this section, the provisions of sections 1 to 5 of this Article, once invoked, shall cease to be operative not later than 30 days following the date the Governor invoked the provisions of sections 1 to 5 of this Article, or on an earlier date recommended by the Governor and determined by the Legislative Assembly. The Governor may not recommend a date under this subsection unless the Governor finds and declares that the immediate response to the catastrophic disaster has ended.
(2) Prior to expiration of the 30-day limit established in subsection (1) of this section, the Legislative Assembly may extend the operation of sections 1 to 5 of this Article beyond the 30-day limit upon the approval of three-fifths of the members of each house who are able to attend a session described insubsection (3) of section 3 of this Article.” (https://sos.oregon.gov/blue-book/Documents/oregon-constitution.pdf)
I recommend reading all of Article 10-A for yourself, but to summarize the portion above, the Governor’s emergency powers are limited to a maximum of 30 days, unless the Legislative Assembly is convened prior to the expiration of that 30-day period and votes to extend those powers beyond 30 days. This is to protect the people from extended infringment of rights and limit the potential abuse of emergency powers. It requires these broad emergency powers to be temporary.
The 30-day clock started on March 8, 2020, with the declaration of emergency by Executive Order 20-03. All of the other Executive Orders concerning this emergency were under the authorization of emergency powers invoked by that first order. Therefore, these emergency powers, and all executive orders regarding this emergency, became null and void by April 7, 30 days from when she invoked the emergency powers, despite some of the orders having a stated effective period longer than 30 days. The Governor failed to convene the Legislative Assembly before April 7 to extend these powers beyond 30 days, rendering these orders unenforceable at this point. They most likely would not withstand judicial scrutiny.
This means our liberties are restored by the Oregon Constitution already as of April 7. We are free to gather for work, for education, for worship, to open our businesses, to peaceably assemble, and to petition our government for redress of grievances. While potentially bluffed in our ignorance, legally, under the Oregon Constitution, we cannot be cited or arrested for returning to our normal lives at this point. And if we are, we have legal grounds to challenge such action in court, and there are teams of attorneys aware of this and ready to defend against such action. Please note that I am not a legal expert and this should not be considered legal advice. I am sharing my best research and understanding based on my reading and discussion with an attorney. You assume the risk of any actions you take based on this information.
In conclusion, use precaution, and respect other’s rights and wishes to remain at home or in a protective environment, maintain physical distance, or keep their business closed. I know almost 25 people who have had, or likely had, this virus, and it is an ugly sickness. I don’t want to get it, and I don’t want anyone to get it. So I will be careful even though I believe the risk is drastically reduced now, and I will also avoid contact with higher risk people as much as possible. However, I will also resume some normalcy, gather in worship when our church opens, and do my part to help our economy recover. I hope to grow my business back and beyond the levels we were at prior to this virus. And I hope you will join me, respecting our fellow citizens, and proceeding with caution and responsible liberty as we return to work and some normalcy.”
Feel free to copy and share. God bless!
Thank you! I’m so pleased that you have taken the time to look up the Oregon laws regarding this current situation. I’m a small business owner and I have no idea what is to become of my business. I sincerely thank you for this great news.
I had read similar information and questioned why our legislature was not called back into session.
Thank you.
She knew they would not have extended her powers. For one the republicans wouldn’t have showed up.
it only states that the vote to extend has to have 2/3 of the votes of each party that are ABLE TO ATTEND the session…. it does not need a vote of 2/3 of each party to be extended, but only of those in attendance…
there’s no reason they are NOT able to attend!
What people are not being told on that, it was passed that if they can not be present at the Capitol during an emergency situation and are able to contribute to the conversation via electronics or other means or telephone, iPad etc. They are considered to be present and able to vote. So it would mean every one in the Legislative Assembly must be attempted to be contacted so their vote can be counted. End of her reign? We’re not sure. I’ve watched the Capitol boards and seen no Legislative Assembly called. The sessions I did see called was to vote on the financial distribution of funds where millions of dollars went to Dept of Human resources or something like that to give to those that don’t or are unable or can’t pay into unemployment because of their status in the state. In other words illegal immigrants. I’m still waiting for even one check.
Yes, you are right, I hope. The Republicans would not have participated in her power grab. And rightfully so.
I agree with Stan
Wonderful article. Completely agree.
Finally! Why has she not been challenged in court? Do we have to exercise our right to assembly and redress of grievance to get our state back?
Yes. And do we need to assemble on the Capital lawn in Salem to take our state back?
In our County we only had two cases of the virus in the hospital in about a month went by I know that once we had over 50 death from the virus where in the world did they come from they were labeling everybody that died cancer heart attack stroke you name it a labeled them covid-19 so they could get $39,000 a piece from the government so that’s got all the doctors lying
By keeping the rules social distancing wearing masks Andover sanitizing staying home indoors is destroying everybody’s immune system and you know it need to lift those restrictions and let everybody get back to the old normal
Open back up and advertise and we will support you. I will come out and support your reopening even if I don’t need the product.
Me too!
This is so typical of this governor and her super majority they behave like a truck running over our rights. She needs to be removed and all her executive orders revoked
That’s awesome news waiting for the other shoe to drop and just see what happens to Kkk Kate
of course we want to resume business. I’m thankful we have had people prudent enough to stay away from others to slow down th e spread of this virus. I’ve listened to many in the science community who say slow down, don’t move to fast to “get back to business” as it is very contagious. 1918 flu. We can help others by staying away from others since we don’t even know who is carrying it. Are you watching worldwide?
Yes, I am watching worldwide. The African nation of Kenya, a country I have visited every other year for 30 years, has had only less than 435 cases in the whole country. Broken down like this: 22 deaths, 152 recovered, 261 active cases. The big problem is that this country is shut down as we are. Many of the areas are rural, tribal areas, that live by selling their animals, produce, etc. in the open markets, which are all shut down. The people are starving. I know this for certain because a group I am involved in is tryin to supply funds for certain individuals to purchase and distribute food in the areas we have worked in. However, this is just a drop in the bucket for this particuar country. And this is happening all over. This is an attempt to make a one world government.
https://nypost.com/2020/04/27/ive-worked-the-coronavirus-front-line-and-i-say-its-time-to-start-opening-up/?fbclid=IwAR2CGl6ureWTJJlGNuWxjk6UWwuMvuujZdeC008SWaw6q_nuIsDp0CyFw7o
I’m behind the let’s open..so many jobs lost..Let’s open up and get our State back..Before more people lose there houses and businesses
So when will everything reopen in Oregon
I am a pastor in a small rural church and am looking forward to when we can get back to church again
So you could have gathered for Easter on April 12th! This has been so wrong!
ME TOO!!!
Amen
Thank you for your efforts in research on this . I also will start to get my normalcy back .
Thanks again.
There is a second corona virus breakout that just happen in Japan right now so it’s MONEY or your LIFE.
I don’t believe anyone I only believe in the creator and his authority not Democrats or Republicans their both totally corrupt in my own opinion.
and that is a true statement. if people open they should use their wisdom and be careful and slow. I believe the president is keeping any people from coming into our country. Hopefully
This site lets you see every country. There has been ups and downs,but I didn’t see any that stayed down for a week with out some up days.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries
Good stuff Tee!
Have you seen the new executive order extended to July 6?!?!
Yep but doesn’t mean lockdown. Just keeping an eye on things as they slowly open up
They do not have accurate numbers for the US. They are reporting what the media is saying, not true confirmed cases.
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/COVID19/index.htm
Agreed
Ok! If you believe “the creator” why don’t you assemble together to pray for this situation? You think the creator would want his people to cower? “Do not forsake the assembling of yourselves together.” Seems pretty clear to me.
We’ve been going to church and assembling, Mark. We’ve been praying too. We’ve also been protesting at the Capitol. I am here for the second round tomorrow. Will I see you there?
You speak of life. My brother in law has metastatic cancer and needs a very complex surgery at OHSU. While he waits for the ORs to open back up for “elective” surgeries, he gets progressively worse. Will his death be considered covid-19 related? Can Kate be held responsible?
Thank you for stepping up and giving information to us. I wonder if you have contacted the lady in Salem . Who is being charged for opening her Hair salon?
I have not, sorry. I did encourage a lot of support for her through this site.
Can the cap and trade bill she pushed thru without our vote be challenged in court she used a executive order to do this this raises gas and controls diesel on older farming equipment
Definitely a trump hater open our state let us go back to work. Democrats and the mainstream media all you do is throw out the Fear Factor Time After Time After Time. Facts not fantasies. Red Wave get back Are Congress add to the Senate Trump 20/20
this website is lying to you. under a state of emergency was the country is still in the entire country the governors have the law and the ability. don’t believe the information this guy is saying you will get arrested if you will be cited citation.don’t be retarded look at the rest of the planet look at everyone else no other country has reopened successfully. this has nothing to do with Trump or any politics at all this has to do with people’s safety. I thought you people were pro-life like Pro everyone’s life but really you’re just showing your true colors.
Brent Junker, as a person with intellectual disability (retard is hate speech) I am offended that you call people on this site retarded. First off I must correct your punctuation for you. You need to use capitals at the begging of all of your sentences, and you should use comas in many of your sentences when you start a new thought. Also you should understand how laws are passed in this country and by the states. Laws must pass legislation by votes. Your Messiah Kate Brown, has made an executive order that has rules and regulations attached to it. Looks like you got schooled by a retard asshole.
Its beginning not begging
Seriously?…I think we all know that without correction. We all make mistakes including you so hold your tongue until it’s appropriate.
Well said.
Oh my goodness I love the way you did that! My husband and I own an adult foster home and you just made me smile!
Church is a crock… talking about fictional characters to make money from the week minded.
Religions are nothing more than cults, just by a different name. Tax them!
Hold out that tip jar…
The Democratic party is no more than a (culture)Cult of power hungry people and sheeple like you who want no more than to destroy anything (USA) or anyone that stands in their way of taking control of independent free people.
Jeff, No one says you have to go to church, nor do you have to give money to the church. If you don’t like church, don’t go. Pretty simple.
So your point is…
Hahaha my body my choice. You make The choice to stay in, that is your choice, but it is not your decision on what others do.
The problem with many is they want to control what others do. Their idea is that if they don’t think something should be done or whatever the matter is no other should able to do it either.
#worry about yourself and I will worry about me
She’s hoping you are stupid and ignorant to buy her more time to harm Trump and the economy because critical thinkers know this plandemic was a political stunt at the cost of Trump and small business.
EVERYTHING after that comment has no value. Jen IS NOT a Critical thinker. This is NOT a political stunt…. and calling it a “plandemic?” Nobody planned it, you fool. Those of us in health care are sick and tired, and don’t want to deal with another wave of COVID. Review history with the flu of 1918….. people experienced a harsher second wave because they were not prudent. I truly feel sorry for those with financial difficulties. But better that than losing loved ones or your own life because you want business as usual….
You’re not tired Susan, you’re asleep. Wake up, the prolonging of the economic crisis is political. Shelter the very old and at-risk but get back to business before there’s nothing to get back to. It’s a nasty sick but not Ebola.
Please stop comparing the flu pandemic and this. It wasn’t people getting back to work that caused the second wave it was soldiers returning home from war. Fear mongering needs to stop.
So you have no problem whatsoever with the millions of suicides that are bound to happen when the rent “freeze” is lifted and people have no way to pay up thousands of dollars because THEY HAVEN’T BEEEN GIVEN THE UNEMPLOYMENT THAT KATE BROWN ASSURED US WE WOULD HAVE.
I have been waiting 7 weeks…SEVEN ! this is unconscionable, it’s as simple as that.
And save the lip service, please. You don’t give a shit about the unemployed. You are financially secure and didn’t have your job ripped away from you !!!!
Maby you should study the lies Trump tells every time he opens his mouth, he is a piece of garbage that wants to be King, study and read, love you son but on this you are so wrong.
Yea, he’s a latter day Obama – the king of lying. Get a life – list one of his (Trump’s) supposed “lies”. Let’s see . . . You might be a Democrat?
Before election. Trump, I will be so busy working I won’t have time to golf. After election, Trump goes golfing more times than Obama did in eight years.
That is one of Trump’s lies. Prove me wrong.
Big whoopie he does have time to play golf as the Dems are holding everything up.
That’s the propaganda talking. The CDC told trump all is well all the way up until the end of Jan.
Right, ‘maybe’ is not spelled ‘maby’ but if you were not so easily deceived maybe your spelling and sentence structure might improve.
This article is meant to stir the turds! Right wingers wanting to divide us with untrue.
I wish everyone of the numb skulls out there in the streets pickiting would come down with this virus..maybe we would lose some of what’s wrong with america
You’re certainly entitled to your opinion Jeff.
What you are afraid of is that they won’t come down with the virus, and then you would have to admit you were wrong, and they were right.
Your hateful rhetoric is what’s wrong with our country! Wishing people dead because they don’t agree with you is very cowardly.
Really ??? Trump gave affected Americans actually MONEY to help us get through April and now it’s May and your precious governor STILL hasn’t gotten millions of Oregonians the unemployment she ASSURED us we would have when she shut down the businesses we work for.
So happy they found out the law open up now for all our real Americans
Thank you ! This information is good to know. As you I will continue to be careful. But not any more than I have been. I have allowed my customers to continue to drop off an pickup items as I have through the entire event
Thank you for your research. I somehow knew this Progressive hack had overstepped her constitutional authority. Let freedom reign.
This has been totally miss-handled from the get-go. We know it is spread by micro-microscopic germs inside microscopic moisture droplets. A mask will absorb that moisture keeping it from exiting. If you simply stay away from anyone who does not practice good hygiene habits (wearing a mask), do not do business with any shop that will allow people with poor hygiene habits to wander around in their store, and wear gloves or wash your hands after touching anything, there is no reason you should catch the virus. You don’t need to tear the building down just because the windows are dirty. All you need to do is to wash the windows.
Thank you for your hours of work and diligence!!
I have a question as someone who lives alone and works from home 6 days a week. How could I go about a normal life if I’m not able to go to a restaurant and sit down or go into a coffee shop and enjoy friends company. When the business is shut down without a vote or hearing, ( since our liberty’s were supposed to have been back in April 7th). How can someone live a normal life when they don’t get to choose what to do on their own?
The Spanish flu was thought to be over and people were allowed to go out and it caused am additional millions of deaths..let’s not repeat that
It seems as if a lot people think it is OK for the suicidal people and the wife beaters to continue down there path as long as it doesn’t disrupt your stay at home vacation. I have heard that there has been an increase in suicide and domestic violence. Can those of you that think we should stay home explain your rationality with this being OK.
Thank you, this is an important piece of the puzzle.
ISOLATION is not good for ANYONE can you imagine seniors forced to SIGN DNR’s and passing alone? HELL NO.
There is more going on here than meets the eye! It NEEDS to end. They didn’t want Patriots and DISSIDENTS in the street as they continued their NON STOP DEPLOYMENT OF 5G roll out.
Anything we WANT we can have with 3 & 4 G. 5 is a military GRADE WEAPON, now turned on us?
THERE WILL be no safe place to escape, and no where you can lay your head. TRUST ME, I am living a 101 level. They turn this shit UP/On…. and it won’t be pretty.
RISEUP & RESIST, or…fry
3 of my neighbors have cancer in the last year and a half since it was turned on on MY local street corner.
Government has failed to PROTECT u.s. or, it’s working exactly as DESIGNED.
Great post!
ITS WORKING EXACTLY AS DESIGNED!!
No reason to change life due to a virus. We are exposed to viruses constantly. That’s how our immune system keeps us well. These democrats just want to hurt economy & Trump. Please do not be afraid of virus but those who are taking our freedoms away.
what is? do you mean stay at home? No it is wrong and worse than anything to not mingle and get exposed. Your immune will drop, you wont build natural immunity etc. Just like we do every year with the flu. Child abuse, spousal abuse, fighting, heart attacks, stress attacks etc are way up.
Glad you brought up the 5G, I think you are correct.
wow…. fake conspiracy theorist… SMH
Jesus Christ Sara..
Grab your AK and shoot yourself…please do us a favor.
The only conspiracy is the white man trying to uprise to keep the status quo. All you Trumpers just drink the cool-aid already and die.
You dont see how Trump and the Republicans are killing this country…Take your eye off the scope and see reality please.
Jeff seems heated doesn’t he folks?
Illegal immigration and repeat offenders are what’s killing us moron. Not republicans and Trump . This country needs less handouts for the useless. Harsher punishments for lawbreakers, and especially for repeat offenders. I’m tired of my money being taken from me and my kids to help people that don’t deserve it and that didn’t work for it.
You are heated and wrong it is the Dems that are against WE THE PEOPLE wake up and smell the roses.
Glad you brought up the 5G, I think you are correct.
All I gotta say is I don’t think think we oregon should not open I’m not gonna jepordize my health and my senior parents life health it’s not worth it until whatever this planned event is I’m a not going to work until this covid19 virus is gone sorry it’s not worth my life so think and do what you think is right we are American’s we got that right so good luck and God bless America aloha
The virus will never be gone- so you are going to stay at home forever
Bingo.
Your wishful thinking, if you think COVID19 is going to be over someday. It’s just like every other flu or disease. It’s always going to be here. Yes, they’ll eventually have a vaciane for it. But people will still get it. I used to get a flu shot, but still got the flu.
then YOU ALL stay home. It is upon the elderly and sick to isolate not the rest of us. Is that what we have done with the flu viruses that come thru each year? isolate all? no. this is a horrible thing. and covid will never be gone. It a virus. they come back around. best thing is for people to build an immunity to it. be safe by YOUR choice but dont make the rest of the world suffer for it please
Exactly!!!!
If you don’t want to go out and play stay home!But don’t expect the rest of us to be on house arrest anymore!
Then you stay home! Simple solution
The virus will not go away, the democrats will use it until the election happens. It will then magically fade into the background. Lots of small companies are going under, not to mention hair dressers, nail techs, tattoo artists, lash/brow artists. They are not being compensated at all, they want to get their livelihoods back. If you or anyone else wants to stay home then do so, but let hard working people get back to work. No one is making you go out and participate!!!
The covid-19 race is not going to go away it mutates and it’s not as bad as the regular flu that goes around every year they’re lying about all the other guests there are they labeled covid-19 and the more you stay in out of the Sun antisocial Andover sanitizing the more susceptible you’re going to be when you do go out because your immune system is depleting all your quarantining you can Google it and look it up how to build your immune system naturally through Mother Nature
Not to mention people with substance abuse and alcoholics and most importantly people in recovery!!
not just wife abuse but reports of child are down because of the isolation no one seeing these children to report the abuse
I had a previous client that I worked with at a pdx DV shelter, who I became very close friends with her and her family over the years find herself in yet another abusive relationship that ironically started right after they got married 31/2 months ago right before evil Kate’s hostage takeover of the people of Oregon, beaten and tortured before she suffered a horrendous, slow death by the hands of her satanic husband. Had there been little more organized plan in place for law enforcement and government officials my friend might still be alive, it sickens me to know how many people have lost their lives or just given up and taken their lives over this situation! Time for Oregon to rise and be the state it was before the destruction started!
IT MATTERS HOW YOU STAND ✌❤
I appreciate all the comments here. This is a very debatable topic. I agree that there is a potential risk with infection of the virus, particularly with a possible resurgence of it. It is a crappy thing to think about when you have to put a dollar against a life, but what do you think is going to happen when the economy collapses? It’s more than just the corner mom and pop market that will be gone. Medical facilities will shutter (layoffs are already happening…my wife is an RN). Food supplies will dwindle. People will be kicked out of their homes because they cannot pay the mortgage/rent. Yes, people are dying from this virus. They will die even more from no medical care, starvation, homelessness, and the suicides that will undoubtedly accompany all that. It will be worse than the virus. Way worse. The government cannot just keep printing money for assistance. It doesn’t work that way (not that assistance is making its way to where it’s needed anyway). An aside…all of you grammar nazis need to take a break. I know it makes you feel superior pointing out mistakes, but come on! Give it a rest!
Exactly
You had better learn about 5G (and the tech of 1819? )
(IN EUG) We already had 109 CELL TOWERS UP AND ON BEFORE their lock up. I would bet it is many TIMES that now!!
WAKEUP, RISE UP, or …fry
ASK YOURSELF WHY WE NEED cell towers on every ELEMENTARY MIDDLE And HIGH SCHOOL.
I work for the local union and I’ve notice some shady dealings going on between Governor Kate Brown in the Carpenters Union I work for the pile drivers local and I’m a trump supporter have been a Republican and it is so hard to find work all the crews are all Spanish oriented and I am being blackballed from my union because of my anti support for governor Kate Brown or Democratic party. Is there anything I can do I’m a good standing member in my uni on. I have also paid dues for 12 years. Most of those 5G towers that were drilled or by the company I work for. This s*** all goes down with a third-party process connected to George Soros and Kate Brown.
The union in the United States has outlived its usefulness. When they were established they helped get a 5-day work-week, better medical, and better wages. Now, however, they have far too much political pull. Whenever the party in any City or state changes, leaders get fired and the incoming party puts their sons, cousins, and buddies in high positions. The fact that length of time at a job equates to being considered for promotion, even when this person has lower productivity and quality of work. The new person coming up, great potential, and drive is passed to the bottom of the barrel.
So I have never voted for a president in my life and it’s cause in the 38 years of my life I’ve not seen one loyal God fearing man in office. But I will say this Trump has my vote this year. It’ll be the first time In my life I will choose to vote. Trump has more then proved himself on more levels then I can count lol. So as of the year 2020 I will be voting for Trump 100%. I’m so excited to be voting . I love how Trump love God. I respect him very much. And I pray he stays in office another 11 terms. Lucky 12 AMEN. I thank GOD for Donald Trump.
Hahahahahha that was a joke right?
That is awesome! So glad to hear it. he is an amazing president and will get us back on track once this stupidty in dem states are over!
I’ll be glad when God come back he will truly judge this place We have lost our way this country was started on in God we trust but the Bible tells us we will believe a lie rather then the truth. Everything that is happening is in the Bible it tells you what’s going to come and what will come and it tells you how it’s going to end but we have stopped reading our Bible and listening only to man. families have lost their way people have turned their back on God.
AMEN!! Well said.
Are you fucking stupid?
Yes. The answer is yes.
As I told SCB in his post, usually when someone resorts to insults, they have no argument left.
I agree. God is in control which not very long from now these terrorists politely called democrats, will face the consequences
They will not escape judgement. It will happen in the blink of an eye.
No Shifty (is that a general statement of character?), you are the stupid one mocking something you’re completely ignorant about. You’re brand of stupidity comes a steep price.
Ahman Shifty… Religion is a crock of fiction used with the weak minded.
Because they pay the schools rent to have their towers there . which is horrible
Yesss!!! I’m glad someone said it!!
Amen! I do not consent to their 5G get fest. And people need to wake up and inform themselves so we can stop this from overtaking our beautiful state of Oregon
COVID-19 will go into the bucket of diseases which affect us long term like heart disease, cancer and yest the flu, the latter of which continues to kill 10s of thousands and sicken millions un the Usa each and every year. If you’re so fearful, stY at home but leave the rest of us alone
This is a totally different game with cancer and heart disease… those cannot be avoided by washing your hands. Think of what you’re saying.
This is NOT the Spanish flu
THE SPANISH FLU WAS IN 1917 WHEN DR’S WERE STILL USING BLOODLETTING AS A CURE FOR THE FLU. WELCOME TO 2020 WHERE WE HAVE MODERN MEDICINE.
This is the best rebuttal I have heard for the “Spanish flu I’m so scared don’t risk my life because you want to re-open” argument.
People are not just having financial difficulties, some are starving and about to lose all they have. The country has to open back up, cautiously, but it has to happen soon, like this month. I am a CRNA working on the front lines of NYC after being furloughed from my job in Oregon. I’ve seen Covid all day every day for 4 weeks. But, honestly, keeping our country shut down is going to kill way more people in the long run. We need to open up and get businesses back up and running, get Covid testing running cheaply, efficiently, and accurately. And those susceptible need to shelter and be assisted and checked on. Kate Brown nor anyone else has the right to take our God given and constitutionally given freedoms and rights away, even with a pandemic in our midst.
Whoever supports this article, are y’all just wanna die out there by being able to “freely” go anywhere? The death toll only increases but who cares if everyone has to stay at home that long. Is that what you guys think? Well, if you want to join those struggling in hospitals because they were not able to protect themselves, you are welcome to go out and try living a life with no restrictions. If those restrictions were not applied, A LOT more would’ve been at risk right now. I don’t get how people think it’s more important to go eat at a restaurant than make sure they can live for a few more decade than days/weeks. Open your eyes, for Christ’s sake. I understand not everyone can afford waiting without a job, but “better safe than sorry” should float in your heads. Especially, if you have kids. Who’s gonna protect them if most of the family contracts the virus? I have recently watched the interview with the mayor of Las Vegas. What a shame… Opening up businesses and casinos may give work to those who don’t have one at the moment but will endanger lives of millions if done so. There’s more to it than sitting at home. You have to realize that. The fact that we live in a modern world doesn’t mean that there is anything else that can be done to prevent the virus from spreading. By the time the vaccine goes through enough human trials, we’ll have more people getting the disease because they do go out. Because they don’t think it’s better to stay home and protect themselves. By thinking like that, they endanger lives of others that have kids and maybe live with significant others that have a weak immune system. Good luck y’all. I have to wear a face mask, protective shield and gloves at all times at work right now because I understand that it’s the only way to survive at this point. Hopefully, you understand my point. It’s not just about your needs. It’s about your future life. Many will not have a future because they were either not aware of the virus yet, or they disregarded the restrictions and went on doing what they wanted to; and that’s what they have to deal at the moment. If you think this post is meaningless, well, I wish you stay safe regardless of what I said.
Yes thank you
For Unknown, you fail to understand, yes it may cost lives. But if we don’t stand up against the deep state democrats,Soros ,Gates, the “elites” who put us in this plannedemic in the first place. We may as well all lay down and let them vaccinate us with their ID2020 agenda!
It would eliminate 95% of us anyway, so what’s worse, fighting for the survival of all humanity or possible infection of this “virus”?
There is so much more at play here than this virus.
Everyone needs to wake up quit watching the fake flipping mainstream news and check the actual facts of what a chokehold they have in all aspects of our everyday world.
Our food production,air we breathe is contaminated daily, tv brainwashing making murder,rape pedophilia slowly saying these things are ok, we all start believing it. Drugs and human trafficking are funding our flipping black hats of govt.!
IF you think all these things are ok then just stay home where you are safe & happy. Some of us prefer to risk it all to go out and stand for freedom& the pursuit of happiness to try to fight the EVIL dregs of our current govt& society!
I won’t go slowly nor willingly. God and Trump are on our side, we can stand together and Rid our world of this evil once and for all,if we can just all come together. You don’t have to like the president, but he is trying his darnedest to make America great ,but evil has taken over,it’s time people. Stand up stand proud for what our forefathers meant this land to be. No guts no glory!
Proud American- thank you so much!!! I couldn’t have said it all better myself! 100% agree!! PEOPLE PLEASE WAKE UP BEFORE IT’S TOO LATE!! VACCINATION = DEPOPULATION!!
USA STRONG …WE THE PEOPLE MUST TEACH OUR CHILDREN THE US CONSTITUTION SO THIS NEVER HAPPENS AGAIN…SO THIS GREAT COUNTRY IS HERE FOR THE NEXT GENERATION TO KEEP AMERICA GREAT…GOD BLESS AMERICA HOME OF THE FREE…
Covud19 has more than a 99% survival rate. Most healthy people either get a mild case or are asymptomatic. (No symptoms)
The majority of deaths are taking place in people who are over 70 AND have significant co-morbid underlying health conditions.
I couldn’t of said it better thank you
Do you actually know the stats of illness in the Rogue Valley? Very low, Oregon itself has hardly been impacted. States with far worse number of cases are opening because it makes no sense to remain locked down. Common sense is always a good idea.
Right!
First, we were not blood letting in 1918. Second, yes we do have modern medicine and we still don’t have a cure or even an established way to fight this.
Today, we went over 61k deaths in America.
In fact they used convelescent plasma therapy. Using other people’s blood plasma who had recovered to get an injectable antibody into their system.
Blood letting went out of practice in the late 1700s.
The Spanish flu was way more deadly and they didn’t have the medications or hospitals we do now. They didn’t even think washing hands was important. Would you rather stay shut in ,let them continue to take our freedoms away day by day? You can stay shut in. Nobody is stopping you. Seriously, as crowded as Walmart, food 4 less, and other grocery stores, Lowe’s and Home Depot have been, trust me the whole valley should be really sick if it’s that dangerous. Especially the workers in those stores. None of this has made sense. President trump never said to shut down all of the states. He said practice social distancing and keep groups at ten or less. The governors decided that to control us.
Yes, and what do you see? Do people wash their hands more frequently? That’s why they continue getting sick? The death toll doesn’t decrease but sure, let’s go hang out and see what happens. There was an article about a group of people gathering for a party not so long ago. Well, one of them contracted COVID-19 and guess what? No one knew about it. The whole group got sick and one of them was a foreigner. He brought it back to his country. So you think it’s better to repeat it? Trust me, I see people work with me every day, and we do have to wash our hands all the time because we’re a food manufacturing company. We have to adhere to the rules, otherwise, who wants to buy ice cream with some COVID-19 additives? No one, right? At this point, there must be discipline to protect ourselves and everyone around us. It’s not gonna last forever but we have to make sure that we do everything for this to end soon. It’s all about washing your hands and not touching your face, but if someone already has it and is asymptomatic, then they have to wear a face mask to not spread the virus while talking to someone, which means wearing a mask should be done by everyone. Please, stop thinking about this “freedom” for now. It doesn’t do any good.
Exactly!
Fear is worse than the virus. Fear kills more people than the virus. People are not only loosing their jobs and no income but consumed with fear or anxiety. So we really can learn nothing about this virus until we allow it to run its course by herd immunity or getting the virus and becoming immune to it for next year. Yes a lot of people died and also die from heart failure, diabetes, suicide, accidents, abuse, and lack of nutrition along with many other diseases. This virus is a small drop in the bucket compared to all the other deaths. I believe most people would rather get the virus for 2 weeks and get over it than be in a lock down taking businesses down with the economy while using this virus to take down the president. If you read books like Living on the Edge of Time, you will see a direct correlation how evil is repeating almost exactly to the beginning of sin.
And after 100 years we have been medical techniques, facilities, hygiene.
The spanish flu was much more deadly than this virus is. Do some research about the antibody tests being done across the country. In New York State, there have been estimated almost 3 million people infected by this virus that where never confirmed. This brings the death rate down to near the influenza numbers of recent years, and that is with a vaccine for the flu. We don’t shut down the country for the flu every year. This virus is less lethal, and has less symptoms for the average healthy person under the age of 50. If you are healthy, and want to work, let people work. If you are scared to catch the virus, then stay home. When you are called back into work, and refuse, you will end up losing your unemployment, but that is the beautiful thing about life. You get to chose what you do with it, when the government doesn’t overstep their powers and start trying to control you. Just because things open up, doesn’t mean you are forced out of your house. You have elderly in your family at high risk. Urge them to stay home and offer to deliver anything they need to their doorstep for them. If they want to go out and do their thing, then let them. They are just as free as you are. Just because you live in fear of something that kills very little of the working class, doesn’t mean that we should all stay home and lose our jobs, homes, and life savings.
You know WHY most people Died from the Spanish Flu. Cause of the medical treatment they received. Patients were “Bleed out” by doctors. they used the same tools from one patient to the next and only wiped them off. Nothing was sterilized back then. Plus we ALL know now to be close together. If people use their common sense, and wash their hands. it Won’t be as bad!!
That is your right to stay in. But others have rights and thoughts contrary to yours and that is their right. Remember Sweden did not shut down at all. And their deaths per 1000 are less than ours. It all depends on what you want to believe.
Dan we are not living in 1918… This virus will be shown to be on par with the seasonal flu when all the data is compiled from the antibody testing.
Lockdowns and social distancing just keep the virus in the population for a longer period of time extending it out and if it does return in the fall it will be because of that reasons and nothing else.
Look around this is not about safety it’s a power play and it’s obvious.
No, this is not a true statement. The lockdown was done for the incubation period of 14 days. People either die or recover during that timeframe. The government was hoping to decrease the amount of people contracting the disease if those who had already got it would either recover or not make it which would lessen spreading it around.
Yes but our hygiene, cleaning products,nourishment, and medical advances are all diff and better than then.
That second wave of the Spanish flu was from the vaccine.
Its not 1918!
Amen to that. The numbers are still climbing..so the curve has not flattened..so reopening premature is a mistake.
This has destroyed more lives than its saved …. read that again. This country was built by the brave not the afraid. Stay home if your afraid but let the brave get back to work repairing the damage done !
The idiocy of people who do not know the difference between a cumulative total and a daily total. Of course the number will never go down if you are keeping a cumulative total. Daily and weekly numbers have dropped down.
At least one smart comment out of all of them I read here. Thank you!
They never in human history quarintined the healty
Please stay home
That happened in 1918, give it a rest, be safe at at all you do and things will be fine, or if your worried keep staying home, hope bank account is doing well in another month or two, most of us live pay check to paycheck
Go ahead- stay home- no one is forcing you to participate in society. 98% recover from this which couldn’t be said of the Spanish flu. Most people who test positive are asymptomatic which can’t be said of the Spanish flu. Even at that time- if you read your history- their wasn’t this kind of stay at home orders, they were recommendations.
Look, none of that matters. If we don’t start living again, you won’t have any kind of economy to return to then how many people will die of starvation, bad health due to losing jobs, and the ability to have employer health or even paid health insurance. How many people will kill themselves due to no life, no job, no money? I mean you need to understand you are trading one risk for another. How about a mask on mandate for all and open the damn country back up. It cannot go on like this. PERIOD! End of story. The few who are afraid of the sky falling can just continue to hide in their homes and beg their government for support but there is no money for any of that support if the rest of us don’t get back to work to pay the taxes to support the non-contributors. Last thought here…….we are all born to die. Think on that. If it isn’t the flu, it’ll be cancer or a car accident or any number of things. I’m not going to stop living for fear of death itself.
it is NOTHING like the spanish flu and I laugh everytime someone tries to use that a a legit reason. This virus is NOT a death sentence 98% who get it have mild if any symptom. People getting it is not a big deal (unless you are immune suppresed or elderly. THOSE need to stay home) it is good to get it widespread and people build immunity. this virus WILL be back just as all flu are each winter. This fear of it is unfounded. LOTS get it…. good not bad…… FEW die.
that is not what stay at home was trying to prevent. it is only there to help give the morgues time to prep the bodies. You are all meant to GET the virus. just not in the first week. its now been 3 months
If you are afraid to get the coronavirus, YOU stay home! You wear a mask. You do you and the rest of us, who are not terrified of getting the common cold/flu will do us.
Those who are watching TV are getting their daily dose of “terror” from the opinionated talking heads on the newstainment outlets which are owned by 5 global telecom giants, so the narrative benefits their agenda and not OUR health or safety.
Best thing you can do is turn that damn TV off and use critical thinking skills.
Are the sheep even capable of critical thought anymore ? Seriously….try posing any legitimate question to them on any forum-social media and what happens ? They always go crickets and never respond. It’s like they just CANNOT think. They’ve given their minds completely over and they can’t go back.
I’ll use the example of Suicide here. I have probably asked a thousand people why they don’ seem to have a problem with the imminent suicides that are bound to happen when people can no longer pay their rent/bills etc. Also the imminent riots and the danger those will pose to other people.
THEY NEVER ANSWER THE QUESTION: EVER ! It’s scary the mindlessness.
Dan Doward, know your history better. The Spanish flu killed millions more than it otherwise might have precisely because of efforts to stop the spread. If more people had been infected by the less deadly first strain, they would have been immune to the much more deadly 2nd strain that killed up to 20% of them. The spanish flu is probably the worst possible example to support “social distancing” and quarantine.
Sorry, but that’s the way a pandemic works.
Until a majority have contracted the disease (or a vaccine has been given) to establish anti-bodies . . .
It will continue to spread and people will die. There have been at least 5 pandemic/epidemics since the “Spanish” flu.
People have survived them all. I will tell you that more viruses will appear (government will see to it if you buy into their response) and more will die due to stress, depression, and many other factors relating JUST TO THE GOVERNMENT.
The numbers are skewed and I will survive this virus – whether we survive our government is another issue . . .
Can you please give me all supporting information regarding these laws. God al mighty I hope this is true! Thank you!!!
Dawn, the parts of the Oregon constitution and the Oregon Revised statutes are referred to in the article and you can see them for yourself here: https://www.oregonlegislature.gov/bills_laws/Pages/OrConst.aspx
and the revised statutes here: https://www.oregonlegislature.gov/bills_laws/Pages/ORS.aspx
Article 10A is X-A
Oregon state constitution. Oregon Administrative Rules (OAR). Go to Oregon state government site: or.gov
Here is the information you asked for…
https://sos.oregon.gov/blue-book/Pages/state-constitution.aspx
You can read Oregon’s constitution (google it). Come to your own conclusion. Don’t listen to the lies.
Well, Write-In Candidate for Attorney General Delores Dixon’s research led to this conclusion several days ago and was announced publicly. A Law Professor stated the same thing in a press release yesterday.
A bit more information for you. Under ORS 433.466 you have the right to court appointed legal council for any public health emergency exceeding 14 days that results in quarantine, isolation, or imposition that infringes upon your civil rights and Liberties. E-mail your local DA and request your court appointed legal council.
Where’s the “Like” button for Rosa’s comment?
Where is this “announcement” to be found? Will you provide a link?
Thanks in advance
That’s great news Rosa. Compared to some (SCB’s Post), this is a breath of fresh air.
I agree comepletly and i was wonderin if she convened it quick enough to keep em in affect i hope this includeds national forest because im goin campin this summer
IT’S too soon. So then we’ll be in back to Stage 1 and worse people have to realize the reason it got better is because people were staying home to do the right thing
We can cautiously reopen. The entire reason for the shutdown was to flatten the curve to buy time for the hospitals to get adequately supplied and not be overrun, NOT to stop the virus altogether. We have accomplished that and our hospitals can handle the patients now that they have the supplies. At some point everyone is going to have to be exposed to this virus and for a majority of them it will be minor. The more people who build up immunity the better for everyone.
Sorry but you’re just wrong the data is not showing that. Now step off the fear train, stop watching the main stream media and do some research.
Look at the numbers here on Oregon. If you are afraid please stay home. We need to open our state back up.
I’m thankful for this information
I am a small business owner and beyond ready to go back to work.
We need to get people back to work
I agree with your thoughts on this, I had the same conclusions based upon my conversation with a constitutional lawyer.
Thanks Robert. Unfortunately, other’s don’t agree with us and would rather use insults and threats (SCB’s post) to persuade us to shut up.
Shared –
Open us back and save family’s
Is oregon going to be opened up.. Is that what going to happen.. I like and agree to what he said!!
Thank you for this valuable clarification, and for enlightening those of us who are not familiar with the Oregon Constitutional minutia which, apparently, the Governor is also not very aware of. It will be interesting to see if this will actually stand up in court, if and when people take back their liberty and civil rights. Thank you for your study.
Well worth the time to read
Thank you for the clarification!!
People have to work!!!! Your broken promises of unemployment, no rent, mortgage payments, stimulus, small business loans didnt happen for too many citizens!!!
Thank you ! I myself am going into week SEVEN with zero income. Why do the Stay At Home alliance not understand that we are PISSED OFF, SCARED because our dear governor went back on her promises ! What do they expect people to do ????
THANK YOU FOR TAKING THE TIME RESEARCH! OUR POS GOVERNOR NEEDS TO BE RECALLED ASAP! #RECALLKATEBROWN #TRUMP2020LANDSLIDE
We need voter ID
What can we do to force Brown to comply?
I wish I knew the answer to this, but all I can do is visualize the villagers taking up their torches & pitchforks and storming her office lol…it’s a lovely fantasy, I must admit, but I know it doesn’t help.
I so needed to read this!!!! Thank you so much for sharing this information!!! And, thank you as well for digging all this stuff up! Thank you, Thank you, Thank you, Thank you, Thank you……
The only reason… and I mean the absolute ONLY reason Oregon has done so well with our Covid numbers is because of the early stay at home orders and closing of schools and businesses. Otherwise our numbers would have skyrocketed like our neighbors to the North and South of us. Also his legal argument is incorrect. He can argue there should be a limit but the argument that there IS a limit that has been kept from us is patently false.
Everyone just please stay the course and watch what happens to the states that are opening up prematurely in the next two weeks and then tell me and all the other healthcare workers that we are wrong.
https://www.wweek.com/news/2020/04/25/willamette-university-law-professor-says-gov-kate-browns-emergency-orders-on-covid-19-should-have-expiration-dates/
C.M.M I don’t think anyone is arguing about the healthcare aspect. We are arguing about the constitutional aspect. I respect the healthcare workers and I am so sorry for all of those who have lost a loved one.
This is never going to be ok. I don’t believe that we as a society will ever look back on this and think it was a good idea. But maybe people will be more considerate and wash their hands, and not come to work sick or send their sick kids to school. That is the only good thing that could come from this.
So if it means the virus shows increased numbers again then oh well? It is more important to possibly undoing what has been done so far because a lying person who even suggested cures that would at least harm, if not kill people said so?
Because of your way of thinking I see my wearing masks will be much longer. How selfish.
BTW:I know Trump will fire anyone in the medical field who disagrees with him or warns that his information is not only wrong but can cause terrible problems….does that not bother you? Have you not seen all the other shit he has said and done since in office? Or are you part of the Temple of Trump who see him as walking on water? News breakins happened to warn America to NOT do what Trump suggested with disinfectant and uv rays. WARNED!!!!!
they are lying to you and you are not seeing it at all we have never quarantine the healthy you quarantine the sick !! we as a Nation have never done anything so asinine and we better not ever fall fr it again this stupid virus is bad but if you think you are getting actual information then tune in to some doctors and nurses that are being laid off or furloughed. they are giving you numbers to keep you scared and why is it that the top 6 states with the most cases seem to be ran by democratic governors, except for Florida and they are reopening do you know of one person personally that has DIED from covid 19 that did not have an underlying health problem already? I am not being mean just would like to know
Also the gov gets Money when someone dies of vivid 19 so basically they are just putting it out there like every death since this started was covid 19 related even when they weren’t.
You need to get over the brainwashing you have obtained thru mainstream media!
This virus is like the viruses that come out every year!
Stop trying to fear monger and blame Trump or those who voted for him!
Can’t you see that they could not get him on Russian Collusion or all the other points they have made up to get rid of our President and don’t think it’s a conspiracy theory as it has all been played out as we watched it unfold! Countless accusations, political game playing and the unconstitutional tactics that were used! And YES they stooped this low to take control of our country and infringe on our rights and freedom!
That is what is the sickest thing not the virus but what people will do to get or take what they want with no regard for human health, life or safety!
Actually our Country has never been better and if you do not see that that it is people like you that are just like pelosi, You need to take a long hard look at what our President has done for us inspite of what the Dems put him thru with the impeachment hearings and now other things to make him look bad. Sorry you don’t know when someone is joking, he did not mean that about the disinfectant like you and all the dems took it. Just one more thing to try and make our President look bad.
Yes!!!! Folks pay attention Ask more questions and demand transparency!
Is this true would like to go back to work?
Oregonians need to know their state Constitution as well as the nations! This is vital information that no one knows. Ignorance may be bliss but it’s also dangerous.
Thank you for going above and beyond for the Oregon people and sharing this important information
The amount of ignorance being put into this website is disturbing. All you are doing is spreading conspiracy theories, helping to harm the public interest, and assuring that Russian-inspired propaganda further causes division in the United States. The “legal” advice on here is absurd. The fact no one can actually name an attorney that participated in the “research” should be enough to show there is no attorney involved.
Just as an example. Let’s assume the Gov. was a day late in taking action because of some 30-day limit in declaring an emergency. Let’s assume that means the Gov. can’t take action outside the 30-day window. Ok, so then the Gov. just declares a new emergency. Done.
So much for that “legal research.”
Well, that’s just your opinion. I posted it with precautions. If you’re an attorney, judging by your email I’ll assume you are, you know as well as I do that anything can be argued and won regardless of facts. She lost her window, it’s that simple. She did not request an extension. It’s over.
Bless you.
Bless you Kira.
I would encourage, as did the writer, folks reading this to review Oregon’s constitution. This looks like a very solid argument, and US AG Barr seems to align with this and other similar interpretations as well, in my opinion. Furthermore I would not agree that the response in regard to Paul Dillers article is relevant in discussing constitutional rights of Oregonians. The constitution should prevail over ORS’s, I do however agree, that Diller cites an applicable argument in which ORS was, or should have been, applied to EO20-03
(1) Except as provided in subsection(2) … what is subsection 2, in pgph/ section 6 above.
Shhhhh!!
COVID = 5G RADIATION POISONING.
Ask anyone who knows how CHEMO becomes pneumonia!
THE LIES AND CORRUPTION go deep to the CORE of this planet!!!
I guess there is no fixing stupid is there? This is a public health crisis. STAY HOME.
On its face the Oregon constitution would appear to have jurisdiction or rule the various leaders, political parties, etc. We will need to see how lawyers may interpret, and either contend against, or apply for. Political affiliations, parties, etc are subject to the constitution. Political outcomes are a moot argument.
You stay home, no one can give it to you if you cower in your home like a rabbit
I have never seen this site before. Thank you for the information, but, why is there no names as to the author or to the name of the attorney. I always worry about an article that is written by a no-name author and with no credits. I think it is only prudent that we still exercise caution and social distancing, but as I have already been doing, if I need to go somewhere, I have been doing, even though it has been basically the grocery store or others needed purchases.
Where does everyone come up with “millions” of deaths if we open things up.
Our government leaders keep telling us that they are using data to drive their decisions.
Who’s data and from where. This might come as a shock to them, a lot of us have taken a statistics class, a research class, and have many years of action research under our belts.
The data dies not support their actions.
Let’s follow the law and open things up.
Yep, we are receiving data daily. Unfortunately, it appears the “authorities” ie. the state – is able to ignore the data coming out from non-governmental sources using on the ground stats if favor of their clever models fabricated for their advantage…. What advantage might that be? food for thought
As a side note, all law enforcement officers in the state of Oregon raise their hand and first swear to uphold the Constitution of the United States. in the second sentence, they swear to uphold the Oregon Constitution.
Yes, from our research of the Oregon Constitution this is all true. , Article 10-A Section 6 check it out for yourself in the Oregon Constitution. The Emergency order was for 30 days and then she was supposed to seek an extension from the legislature within that 30 days if she felt she could prove it was a necessary action. We have been open since the 14th of April. Our customers receive hand sanitizer and respect social distancing while in our business , masks optional. We let our customers know before hand the date we were re-opening. ( We self quarantined for 3 wks. and then decided to go back to work. ) We felt if people did not feel safe about going out, they wouldn’t. Of course we have done extensive research on the stats of the virus which helped us make our decision. I totally respect if people choose to stay inside but if Gov. Brown felt so strongly about the order but did not apply for the extension, which would need to be voted on…. why didn’t she ?
This is some dumb ass fake news bullshit… please dont listen to this ass hat, its your ass in handcuffs or holding a ticket.. not him.
Use your brain! Dont listen to these type of lunatics..
Judging by your email, I would assume you are either a bot, paid informant or an angry liberal with nothing better to do than to cry “fake news”. As I have said numerous of times, when someone resorts to hurling insults, they have no argument left. There is no logic in your drivel. Just ignorance on your part.
I am fine staying home because I am not a selfish asshole. I care about my health. My family’s health. The health of others such as the doctors and nurses working so hard right now.
So, you want your groceries delivered, your food delivered, your Amazon deliveries endangering workers to protect yourself and you call other selfish.
I’m going to work because I care about MY family, feeding them and keeping a roof over their heads. I care about others who havent seen a penny in 2 months and cant bu groceries for their children.
I care about the vulnerable that it was claimed we were protecting while the government locked them into houses of death with no escape possible.
I care about the people I love that are dying, not of Covid but the denial of standard medical care that keeps them alive.
We havent saved anyone, we have traded some lives for some other lives!
Actually you are, you want everyone to serve you and keep you comfortable and keep a roof over your head while you stay home and watch Netflix
lets get back to work and call bul….t on the democrat political agenda.
I mentioned this article to an Oregon District representative and he said that the Governor’s emergency declaration was made under ORS 433 (public health emergency). When I looked up ORS 433.441 as identified in order No. 20-03, it states the following:
under sub section 2
(2)A proclamation of a state of public health emergency must specify:
(a)The nature of the public health emergency;
(b)The political subdivision or geographic area subject to the proclamation;
(c)The conditions that have brought about the public health emergency; and
(d)The duration of the state of public health emergency, if the duration is less than 14 days.
and the following under subsection 5
(5)A proclamation of a state of public health emergency expires when terminated by a declaration of the Governor or no more than 14 days after the date the public health emergency is proclaimed unless the Governor expressly extends the proclamation for an additional 14-day period.
This seems to suggest a maximum 28 day period under the health emergency statute.
The stay home order No.20-12 says it goes into effect immediately and until terminated by the Governor.
Do the Oregon Constitution and Statutes really have this unlimited, unchecked power by the Governor?
If they are now saying the 30 day window is not applicable since it falls under the public health emergency statute, does ORS 433.441(5) limit this to a 28 day window…which obviously has come and gone?
Who’s the smart one here to give us a definitive answer?
She actually used ORS 401 but stole wording from 433. She wants her cake, and to eat it too. She is skirting the checks and balances of the Oregon constitution and acting as a dictator!
So, you want your groceries delivered, your food delivered, your Amazon deliveries endangering workers to protect yourself and you call other selfish.
I’m going to work because I care about MY family, feeding them and keeping a roof over their heads. I care about others who havent seen a penny in 2 months and cant bu groceries for their children.
I care about the vulnerable that it was claimed we were protecting while the government locked them into houses of death with no escape possible.
I care about the people I love that are dying, not of Covid but the denial of standard medical care that keeps them alive.
We havent saved anyone, we have traded some lives for some other lives!
Irregardless of laws, those laws and constitutions weren’t living with coved-19.
Hey you all should look up the anti-body numbers. They are finding out that large percentages of the population already had it, never had symptoms, and created an immunity to it.
Something like 2.6 million people in New York had anti-bodies, in New York City like 24% of people had built an immunity to it , showing that is far less deadly.
In California when adding in the anti-body numbers it takes the death toll to 0.03%.
No conspiracy theories here, just numbers and facts. This lockdown at this point is about control, it’s about power and it’s all in the guise of safety as so often any kind of authoritarian governmental power is derived, in the name of safety. Two weeks ago it seemd like a good idea to be cautious, at this point it’s time to realize it isn’t even as deadly as the flu.
Flu between Oct. and Apr. in the US alone killed over 60,000 people, including 127 children in just 5 months, it was .3% away from being labeled an epidemic.
It’s time now, it just is time a hurt economy is going to have much longer lasting devastation than this virus and if you are scared then stay home and let the rest of us get back to living, because life in and of itself is a risk.
This is Great news but those of us in Klamath and Lake counties are going to show K
ate just how unruly her subserviants are on Memorial day anyway!! Gods
Speed and wind
And what is your point? We have enough common sense to stay home If we are sick and if you are worried, stay home! No one is forcing you to shop, open a business or visit anyone.
Memorial Day? Ooh how daring a whole month from now
You can’t run your business or work your job from a bed in the ICU .
Look into the Spanish flu. It was caused by a Rockefeller vaccine cultured in horse cells. It was given to our soldiers as they shipped out to fight WW1.
I am sure I had this virus in late December in Hillsboro while visiting family. 11 year old granddaughter got it at her grade school near Glenco area. She was in hospital, hi fever, unrelenting dry bronchial cough. Then the 4 year old got it, then my son, both of which developed pneumonia. I’m 61, and was the only one taking calendula, vitamin c and Oregano oil. I was the last to get it and progression was the same, eventually had pneumonia, first time in my life. Herd immunity is what establishes antibodies! Since the beginning of humanity!
I find it funny that everybody is ready to get back to work and to jump into the norm when when we go back to work there is going to be no normal routine that us Americans have known unfortunately a lot of us have not been a part of the covid-19 and have not personally been affected by the tragedy of having a loved one taken from this disease or whatever but I think it’s good people are doing their research people want to get back to work and want to get the economy up and going but you guys are all funny you guys are all fake in my book you guys think it’s President Trump you think it’s Nancy pelosi you think it’s this you think it’s that there’s more to this whole motherfuking thing then any of you want to admit look at what’s going on around the whole world from North Korea to Iran to Russia yeah so let’s get back to our Norm let’s have this covid-19 and the normal flu season let’s see how many death tolls that brings but no you want to get back to work you want to go people are violating your constitutional rights just shut the f****** stay-at-home spend time with your kids spend time with your spouse’s enjoy the time that you have because after this is all said and done who knows when your tickets going to be up partner cuz trust and believe this disease can take anybody’s life or this flu like influenza whatever the f*** it is all’s I know is it my mother-in-law myself where a risk the elder in people with immune deficiencies so once again I State and I say the people like you that either don’t fear don’t care or don’t give a s*** about people like me and my mother obviously you guys are just I don’t know stuck in your racist white Trump XI world I don’t know yes Trump’s done some good things yes Trump’s done some evil thanks but all-in-all when it’s all said and done the people that got bailed out the most through all of this was the big corporations and the f****** Rich so with that stated yeah let’s open this economy up but the funny thing is is the economy ain’t going to jump back to where it was we’re already fought so wake up do your research cry a little bit get some help do what you need but for the love of God let people make their own decisions because it’s not just you and it’s not just about you it’s about everyone how everyone feels and people want to rush things to be open but see like me I’ll be god-damned I want to be able to live my life I want to watch my grandkids grow up old I want to watch them walk down the aisle but it’s people like you that disgust me make me f****** sick to my stomach because obviously you don’t give a f*** about the Commonwealth of the lower class citizens of the United States let me guess you probably have a very big house got a lot of money in the bank yeah you must have if you’re able to sit at home and do all this fancy research and talked to the all these high paid lawyers cuz I know one thing wires don’t f****** talk to you unless you got money or they’re your friends or your sucking their dick or something I mean come on
We are smarter and better than this people! We (The government that is representative of us) are not using “Science” and Common sense in addressing the issue of the virus and who it impacts. Almost every single fatality is from people in their late 50s and up, out of 4.3 million people in Oregon, 2300+ have become infected and have symptoms, about 90+ have died due to the virus, or complications from the virus. If you are under 50 in Oregon, you stand a 1 in 4.3+ million chance of dying from the virus. Every life is sacred, so lets figure out a way to protect the most vulnerable, which in my opinion isn’t locking up everyone, it’s ridiculous. We are better and smarter than this, let’s act like it!
This information should be submitted to Barr’s Dept. of Justice. They’re investigating overreach of Governors. I believe this fits.
I admit I do not like Kate Brown as a Governor. Her choices are always for the Portland and metro area first.
With that being said I have one question. If she had not embarked on shutting down the state would the funds for people that need to stay home be available?
As people of this great state how do we determine who should stay home and who shouldn’t.
Here is the Justice Department’s contact page.
https://www.justice.gov/doj/webform/your-message-department-justice
I need to go to work also if my job requires me to but a lot of my coworkers are working from home and that makes the essential workers safer to work. The stay home order doesn’t say you can’t go to buy groceries. I do grocery shopping myself but I follow the law to keep distance and wear face masks; I also buy groceries once every two weeks instead of two times a week.
People have to understand that there is still no known cure for this virus and other’s lives are valuable too. We don’t want to regret when we get buried six feet under.
So have all of the ‘defy Gov. Brown’ crowd done their due diligence and looked up past pandemics to see how they progressed? They must all know (as I’m sure Gov. Brown is) that the first wave is somewhat deadly but the second wave about 6 months from now will be 10 times more deadly if history is correct. I’m comparing Covid-19 to the Spanish Flu. I for one do not want to be in a rush to open anything if it means I have to watch my friends and family die later. With the utter failure of the Federal Government to do their jobs I trust Gov. Browns judgement much more than everyone else clamoring to reopen everything. Where are the tests to determine who has had the virus and who hasn’t? Being there is a supposedly large number of asymptomatic people out there but our numbers of who has had the virus is unknown at this time. Now we hear that the Federal Government is going to start doing 5 million tests per day. I’m at the point that if no testing is done to see what is really going on we should stay locked down. I’d like to know if the money to open this web site was provided by the Koch brother(s)? That seems to be another virus destroying our country, conservative trillionaires paying for small protests that they make sure our news media covers while the more important issues get no coverage at all.
The main issue is that she declared the emergency using ORS 431.441, Proclamation of public health emergency. Although a proclamation is limited to 28 days, I asked a lawyer and he said that there is no clause where she can not re-issue the same order after 28 days. In the Oregon Constitution under Article 10 there is such a clause, but she did not use Article 10. So unfortunately, we are stuck with this dictator.
Quit killing us Kate!
So why haven’t any Constitutional Attorneys filled a case before court?
if you’re going to build a cheap free website with a WordPress backend and a free template with a few modifications. it’s a free template modified with an image that you probably bought how we supposed to believe anything you have to say. when you do this research and you know the stuff but you can’t write a basic website on your own lol your SEO is garbage your entire site is set up wrong and you want us to believe what you have to say. lol
I built the website in an hour to get the message out. I have been slammed covering stories and going to rallies all across Oregon. I also didn’t want to put that much effort into it if no one would take it serious. But, after 1 week, we received 7,000 visitors and 100 signups so I call that a success thus I will take the time to do the proper work. I own a hosting company Brent. Is this how you get work? Insulting people?
I questioned the Klamath County commissioners and got this in reply:
“We are working diligently toward reopening and have been drafting our re open request packet for the Governor. We’ve been told the first day we can turn that in is May 4th, which is what we are aiming for (SkyLakes Medical Center has to sign off, and they are not quite there yet).
PS. The Governor actually, procedurally and technically extended her order till Sept . That doesn’t mean it can’t be rescinded prior to that, which is what we are pushing for.”
According to this particular commissioner we have to ASK Kate’s permission even though her emergency orders are expired?!?!?
I think your a piece of shit
I think it is important to consider a National and global view on this situation. Look at what is presently happening to people’s rights in all areas of the US and globally and consider what principles our country was founded on. Once you submit and give up your basic freedoms they will never be returned. I personally feel that our nation acted correctly AT FIRST, they/we did so for our fellow human. With the progression of knowledge on all levels and with respect to the virus we need to be continually learning and adjusting our approach. Currently there is much resistance to adjust approach and re open states, ask why is this and what have we learned to date, look at other areas that did not impose the same infringements of rights and compare differences in case numbers numbers- Sweden is a great example. Look at our own state’s numbers:
Example from a few days ago:
4.22 million Oregonians
2,354 positives out of 51,198 tests= 4.8% positive rates (this is a data derived %)
92 deaths out of 2,354 positives= 3.9% death rates (aligns with CDC and others, right?)
We have learned that this has very likely spread to many, many asymptomatic people
So, take our states population
4,220,000×4.8% positive infection rate (this is a data derived %)
202,560 total cases likely exist or have existed
Given what we know about the actual deaths occurring
92 deaths out of 202,560 likely cases= .05% mortality rates (using known data and figures)
I am sure someone can fault the above math, but I am trying to put this into a perspective view from what we have learned VS what we thought we knew in the beginning. If we continue down the same path there will be catastrophic results to our State, nation and freedom. It takes looking past the fear and death and opening your mind to the entire situation at hand. Many of my family and ancestors have faced more difficult situations than this, consider the nations historic events and not just the”Spanish flu” comparison.
I am an essential employer of 15 people, all have been given the option to stay home and retain their job, or work. All but the highest risk categories have maintained a work schedule, both at my recommendation and their own decisions. Furthermore, customers are still calling for work. So it’s easy to sit at home and judge others, but recall, that although you are staying home, you are still going out for essential services, and I can tell you first hand that there is a large number of people doing this. Your risk of infection is present in every public place and on all the items you bring home. So, is it fair to judge those out working to keep what is left of our state and nation going? Is it fair that you are sheltering in place, but expect others to be put at risk to keep your supplies coming, home in working order etc.?
To date, thankfully and knocking on wood, we have not had any infections. We have implemented guidelines and practices to safely continue operations and have never closed one day through all of this. I owe this to my employees who want to work, my state and country.
I would further advise Oregonian’s to research this:
Which proves to be difficult information to obtain through a web search-
Source: OTAG website: https://www.oatag.org/oatag_blog/oregon-revised-statutes
Oregon Revised Statutes
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The Oregon Revised Statutes (ORS) are the codified body of statutory law governing the State of Oregon, as enacted by the Oregon Legislative Assembly, and occasionally by citizen initiative. The statutes are subordinate to the Oregon Constitution.
Chapters 343 – “Special Education and Other Specialized Education Services”, and 340 – “College Credit Earned in High School” are of particular interest to parents of gifted and talented students.
The ORS can be found at:
Oregon State Legislator, Bills and Laws, Oregon Revised Statues web page. Chapters 340 and 343 can be found in Volume 9.
Oregon Department of Education, Talented and Gifted web page. The Talented and Gifted Children sections of chapter 343 can be found by clicking on the Oregon Talented and Gifted Laws link.
Source: https://www.co.washington.or.us/HHS/EnvironmentalHealth/oregon-administrative-rules.cfm
Oregon Administrative Rules
Oregon Administrative Rules and the Oregon Revised Statues are listed for your convenience below as they pertain to specific programs.
OAR – Oregon Administrative Rules are numbered by the Division and Chapter. The “Oregon Administrative Rules Compilation” (OAR) is the official compilation of rules and regulations having the force of law in the state of Oregon. The OAR is compiled and issued annually by the Administrative Rules Unit of the Secretary of State’s Archives Division. Listed are links to the most current OAR version for some of the programs served by Washington County Environmental Health.
ORS – Oregon Revised Statutes defines “rule” as “any agency directive, standard, regulation or statement of general applicability that implements, interprets or prescribes law or policy, or describes the procedure or practice requirements of any agency.” The Oregon Administrative Rules are published by Bill Bradbury, Oregon Secretary of State. ORS 183.310(9) The Oregon Revised Statutes (ORS) is the codified body of statutory law governing the state of Oregon, as enacted by the Oregon Legislative Assembly, and occasionally by citizen initiative. The statutes are subordinate to the Oregon Constitution.
Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oregon_Revised_Statutes
The Oregon Revised Statutes (ORS) is the codified body of statutory law governing the U.S. state of Oregon, as enacted by the Oregon Legislative Assembly, and occasionally by citizen initiative. The statutes are subordinate to the Oregon Constitution.
So this has nothing related to what the Oregon city mayor found last week and was about to reopen. Before he was threatened.
Credit where credit is due but I think the mayor had this info days before this article
It’s not difficult at all to do a web search.
Primary sources linked inline.
Several posts and sites are claiming that the Oregon constitution limits an emergency declaration to 30 days, citing article 10A section (6).
Perhaps the reason they don’t cite Article 10-A sections (1) through (5) is because that makes it clear this Article limits *only* the Governor’s ability to spend un-budgeted money in response to an emergency and to convene an emergency legislative session. That out-of-budget spending authority is what expires after 30 days. Furthermore, the Governor has to specifically invoke that section (10-A section 1(3) “MAY invoke”), and she chose not to until more is known about federal financial relief.
https://sos.oregon.gov/blue-book/Documents/oregon-constitution.pdf
Everything else with regard to the emergency declaration is covered under statute.
The statutory authority to declare an emergency is covered under ORS 401. With regard to duration it says:
401.192 (4) The powers granted to the Governor by ORS 401.165 to 401.236 shall continue until termination of the state of emergency. The powers granted to the Governor by ORS 401.185 may continue beyond the termination of the state of emergency and shall be terminated by proclamation of the Governor or by joint resolution of the Legislative Assembly. [Formerly 401.095]
https://www.oregonlegislature.gov/bills_laws/ors/ors401.html
Some are saying that a Public Health Emergency can only last 28 days:
433.441 (5) A proclamation of a state of public health emergency expires when terminated by a declaration of the Governor or no more than 14 days after the date the public health emergency is proclaimed unless the Governor expressly extends the proclamation for an additional 14-day period.
However, right above that, it says:
433.441 (4) (4) Nothing in ORS 433.441 to 433.452 limits the authority of the Governor to declare a state of emergency under ORS 401.165. If a state of emergency is declared as authorized under ORS 401.165, the Governor may implement any action authorized by ORS 433.441 to 433.452.
https://www.oregonlegislature.gov/bills_laws/ors/ors433.html
The executive order declaring the emergency specifically stated at the very beginning that it was issued under 401.165, and that one does not set a time limit.
https://www.oregon.gov/gov/Documents/executive_orders/eo_20-03.pdf
There are other arguments one can make against this, but “It’s Unconstitutional” is not one.
I am sorry you are so fearful of this getting worse. But it got worse because we have been shut in. There is a natural immunity process that needs to be allowed to play out. I am now nervous about going out because every time I just have gone to pick up groceries i come home with some head cold of some sort. I want to live again. The mask is only helpful if you are sick. Someone sneezing on you is still gonna get on you somewhere. We are a government of the people. We have always had the right to live free, even if it hurts people. There are laws against that. Would you like us to arrest everyone who doesn’t wear a mask? it’s inhumane.
Let me be a little more direct here: The limited info available in a web search is-
“The statutes are subordinate to the Oregon Constitution”
Therefore my argument is anything lasting over the specified time as stated in Oregon’s constitution is therefore un constitutional
This is a necessary piece here for both the argument and to keep the Government in check. Otherwise it has absolute control which was never the intention of any constitution. I would absolutely love to see evidence otherwise
You should talk to my brother who is a orthopedic surgeon in New York City. He has been working the front lines for the last two months taking care of covid patients because half of the doctors and nurses are home sick with the virus. On a daily basis he has to watch dozens of covid patients die, alone, without being able to say goodbye to their loved ones. The sadness and the tragedy is incredible and is taking a toll on the doctors and nurses. I worry for my brothers health, as he is risking his life and the life of his family on a daily basis to help out. And there are still between 300 and 400 covid deaths daily in New York. All this because social distancing was started too late. So please if you don’t want to do this for yourself do it for all those hard-working doctors nurses and first responders that are working so hard to save lives.
> “The statutes are subordinate to the Oregon Constitution”
And grass is green and the sky is blue. Nobody is disputing this.
And in the Constitution, words such as “shall” and”may” have distinct, unambiguous legal meaning.
> “Therefore my argument is anything lasting over the specified time as stated in Oregon’s constitution is therefore un constitutional”
Article 10-A does not say “Any state of emergency is limited to 30 days”.
*Only* the Governor’s authority to spend un-budgeted money in response to an emergency is limted to 30 days.
Section 1 (3): “The Governor may invoke the provisions of this Article if the Governor finds and declares that a catastrophic disaster has occurred”
That word “may” means it’s discretionary, and the governor must explicitly “invoke” the article to use its provisions: to spend un-budgeted money and compel the legislature to convene.
Finally, section 6(1) says” “Except as provided in subsection (2) of this section, the provisions of sections 1 to 5 of this Article, once invoked, shall cease to be operative not later than 30 days following the date the Governor invoked the provisions of sections 1 to 5 of this Article,….”
“once invoked”
In this current crisis the governor specifically did _not_ invoke article X-A; she did _not_ use the spending authority it grants. There is nothing in the constitution that limits the governor’s “state of emergency” itself to 30 days.
You guys are idiots if you think she is just doing it to “harm trump’s presidency”. So if you’re dumb enough to go back out and “Oh hugs kisses haven’t seen you guys in awhile because the world is trying to harm trump’s presidency, let’s suck each other’s azzholes” then you deserve to catch the virus, but stay the fuk away from the rest of us that are taking this shit seriously and don’t feel like possibly dying because of regards like you. Don’t forget to go get your “vaccine” aka your dose of whatever they are wanting to shoot you up with. If it were up to me I’d keep shit closed down at least until August to limit exposure that much more. So fuk trump supporters Joe Bidden for President!
To moderator: Awww sorry you’re too big of a pansy to allow people to speak their minds to everybody when it isn’t your view. Pathetic trump supporter. That’s all this article is about. And guess what, his Clorox junkie azz will never get reelected. HA!
Chase, it appears you use emotion over logic when it comes to bringing up a debate. It shows your age little one. It’s 9 pm now. Isn’t it past your bed time?
Gov. Brown…. another 60 days !!?? Am I interpreting her new opening plan phase 1 correctly ?
Financial collapse destroys lives in other ways. Divorce, suicide, alcoholism, family abuse, depression from loss of your business. I am a small business owner and have had my business
decimated.
I’m sorry Celeste. Hang in there.
This comment string is a hotbed of stupidity. This phrase pretty much says it: “critical thinkers know this plandemic was a political stunt at the cost of Trump ….” 65 million and counting and this moron is still stuck on “HO AX” SMH
It is a criminal act in Oregon to practice law without a license. Someone should make a report to the DA.
Go for it.
I really appreciate this article!!
Thank you for your research. I somehow knew this Progressive hack had overstepped her constitutional authority. Let freedom reign.
It would be great if this could be written out in legal jargon so it could be read to a police officer or politician. Something to confront them with.
This will not hold up to the lower end of the poll employees of the state who are following orders from superiors. A cop will not care nor his commanding officer. It will only hold up in court as there will be hundreds of cases for years to come which in turn might bankrupt the state if it isn’t already.
While I agree that the shutdown sucks and that Brown is abusing her powers, your analysis is unfortunately likely incorrect. None of her executive orders invoke Article X-A of the constitution, therefore the limits therein also do not apply. Instead, her executive orders all use ORS 401.165, and that section does not set a time limit. At times she also uses ORS 433.441 which does set some limits but allows her to extend those limits repeatedly. It is likely she chose not to invoke Article X-A BECAUSE of the limits set in Section 6. She instead chose to invoke ORS 401.165 because it allowed her the broadest power. This should be the focus of the next legislative session, to fix this huge loophole.
Question: Is not the ORS subordinate to the Oregon Constitution? If this is true, then the Governor’s citation of ORS for the Executive Order must comply first to the Constitution.
Observation: The last paragraph in ARTICLE X-A, is Secton 6, (5) “The Governor may not invoke the provisions of sections 1 to 5 of this Article more than one time with respect to the same catastrophic disaster. A determination under subsection (1) of this section or an extension described in subsection (2) of this section that establishes a date upon which the provisions of sections 1 to 5 of this Article shall cease to be operative does not prevent invoking the provisions of sections 1 to 5 of this Article in response to a new declaration by the Governor that a different catastrophic disaster has occurred. [Created through H.J.R. 7, 2011, and adopted by the people Nov. 6, 2012]” Unless I am mistaken, this means the Governor cannot declare a disaster for the SAME event.
If indeed the ORS are subordinate to the Constitution, the Governer of Oregon has violated the Constitution. If so, how is she held accountable?
Interesting article:https://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/taiwan-no-lockdowns-no-closed-businesses-non-who-member-and-relatively-unaffected?utm_campaign=Daily%20Newsletter%3A%20TAIWAN%3A%20No%20Lockdowns%2C%20No%20Closed%20Businesses%2C%20Non-WHO%20Member%2C%20and%20Relatively%20Unaffected%20by%20COVID-19%20%28RxDvNN%29&utm_medium=email&utm_source=Daily%20Newsletter&_ke=eyJrbF9lbWFpbCI6ICJwb255c3U3QHlhaG9vLmNvbSIsICJrbF9jb21wYW55X2lkIjogIksydlhBeSJ9
Anyone who thinks that Brown, or ANYONE, is “hoping you are stupid and ignorant to buy her more time to harm Trump and the economy because critical thinkers know this plandemic was a political stunt at the cost of Trump and small business,” lives in a very sad, sad world, of their own willfully ignorant making.
Then answer me this one question. Why can Walmart or Home Depot stay open but not small business?
Idaho sucks. Portland Salem suck. Bundy sucks
All garbage just different spectrum.
Jefferson State Forever
I emailed my representative using much of the information in this document and got the following reply:
James – please don’t take my information as agreement. My colleagues and I have asked questions of Legislative Counsel and have received this information. In summary, while you are correct about the Oregon Constitution, that isn’t the ORS that Governor Brown used, so the 30 days does not apply.
Many people have reached out to my office seeking clarity and understanding of Governor Brown’s broad authority and what if anything can be done to counteract her actions. I offer a couple of responses my colleagues and I have received from Legislative Counsel.
“Oregon law gives the Governor broad authority to act during a proclaimed state of emergency. ORS 401.168 (1) provides that “the Governor has complete authority over all executive agencies of state government and the right to exercise, within the area designated in the proclamation, all police powers vested in the state by the Oregon Constitution in order to effectuate the purposes of” ORS chapter 401. Thus, the broad authority that the Governor possesses under ORS 401.168 (1) is constrained in only three ways: the geographic location of the emergency, the nature of the “police powers” of the state and the purposes of ORS chapter 401.
In order to exercise emergency powers under ORS 401.168 and related statutes, the Governor must first declare a state of emergency by proclamation. ORS 401.165. That proclamation must specify a geographic area to which the proclamation applies, and the geographic area must “be no larger than necessary to effectively respond to the emergency.” ORS 401.165 (5). The Governor’s exercise of emergency powers is thus limited to the geographic area affected by the emergency, which, in the case of a statewide emergency, may include the entire state.
Secondly, the Oregon Supreme Court has described the state’s “police power” as “indistinguishable from the state’s inherent power to enact laws and regulations.” Eckles v. State, 306 Or. 380, 399 (1988). Accordingly, the Governor’s emergency police powers are generally consistent with the Legislative Assembly’s inherent power to make laws, subject to the limits imposed by the Oregon Constitution, the United States Constitution and federal law.
The final limitation on the Governor’s emergency police powers is that they may be used only to effectuate the purposes of ORS chapter 401. Those purposes are, in relevant part, “to reduce the vulnerability of the State of Oregon to loss of life, injury to persons or property and human suffering and financial loss resulting from emergencies, and to provide for recovery and relief assistance for the victims of emergencies.” ORS 401.032 (1). And while it is the declared intent of the Legislative Assembly that emergency response should be directed at the local level, the state is required to assume responsibility for local emergency response if the emergency involves two or more counties, among other factors. ORS 401.032 (2).”
And
“The Governor declared a general state of emergency under ORS 401.165 to 401.236. See Executive Order 20-03, dated March 8, 2020. A declaration of emergency under ORS 401.165 to 401.236 conveys broader powers to the Governor than the declaration of a public health emergency under ORS 433.441. ORS 401.204 describes how a state of emergency declared under ORS 401.165 to 401.236 is terminated:
Termination of state of emergency. (1) The Governor shall terminate the state of emergency by proclamation when the emergency no longer exists, or when the threat of an emergency has passed. (2) The state of emergency proclaimed by the Governor may be terminated at any time by joint resolution of the Legislative Assembly. [Formerly 401.105]
Thus, there is no need for the Governor to do anything to extend the state of emergency; the state of emergency and the Governor’s powers under the state of emergency continue automatically until the Governor or the Legislature terminates it.”
So clearly, the Governor has broad authority that is relatively unchecked. To the extent that these powers could be checked – it would be up to the legislature to act. As you all know, here in Oregon the Democrats also hold super majorities in the House and Senate – and current leadership has no interest in calling us into a special session to offer any checks and balances to the Governor’s assumed broadened authority.
Best,
Shelly
Portland & Multnomah County make up only 3% of Oregon’s land mass.
Yet they get to vote for the Elected Officials and Laws for the entire State of Oregon.
Do you really think that Kate Brown had any majorities in the other 97% of the people in Oregon. Think about this for a while and understand why 97% of Oregonians feel totally screwed.
that’s Brown the clown for ya Open Oregon
so you all want to reopen while people are still dying like last 4 days ago I lost 3 family members to this bs virus if people are still dying than why do you want to reopen so your businesses can create more death like that black haired lady who reopened her salon witch gave 4 people the virus when every one was partying out side the doors
will you business owners take the responsibility when people start dying because you need their money to keep your business alive ? will you put yourself in prison or pay the funeral cost for each one that died because you reopened too early
I dont really understand how people can think we can remain shut down forever. We have to go back to work SAFELY.
I was laid off for 3 weeks until my employer figured out how they were going to change the work force to keep everyone safe. So far we are going on a month without any internal problems.
We wipe down everything after we use it, we dont share anything, the older employees stay home and everyone social distances.
It’s what we have to do to get the country running again.
There are so many small businesses that are on the brink of bankruptcy.
Trumpster or Trump hater, it doesn’t matter. That’s the just one of the many perks of being an American. You have the right to choose. But right now there isn’t time to argue back and forth. Those that can do so safely, need to work.
Jamie- I agree with you 100%, the State and country must reopen. This is not a sustainable practice. Our state is facing a huge deficit already and is currently slated to reduce the OSP and many other areas by a considerable amount. This is just the tip of the iceberg; it will only get worse the longer the majority is shut down and locked down. If you want our great state and nation to survive, stand up. Our current GDP is falling by the day and our national debt has exceeded our GDP by several trillion dollars- this does not include the additional bailout money currently on the table. We do not live in America so we can survive on government funded subsistence, this is not the role of the government. Nor is it the role of businesses to become an extension of the unemployment department. If people continue to wait, there will be a serious collapse of so many facets of our state and nation.
People need to stand up for their rights as Americans, that is an item that every American should take to heart. Do not let the fear from the narrative and MSM collude what your gut is telling you. If anyone wants to stay locked down, so be it, that is their choice as an American and no one is forced to go out. If your employer opens and you do not feel safe working, make it known, you can continue the subsistence. The fact this is mandated by a Governor exercising OAR’s should not scare anyone, “We the People” have the power to change the course. Look at some Sheriffs that have stood up to their oaths and our constitutional rights, look at the salon owner who opened, was jailed, and released. I hope that many, many people will start to see their rights infringed and become compelled to stand proud. There will always be haters and further fear mongering, on all sides and I take no political side as I dislike politics and do not trust our government. “We the people” need to stand up to our constitutional rights, that is why we live in America- Regards, Kevin
https://www.billpost.com/updates/the-case-against-the-governor-of-oregon
This blog post from Bill Post explains that Kate Brown specifically used a different order to avoid having a 30 day limit on the lockdown…
I was under the impression that the Constitution was the law of the land and no other laws supersede it’ So how can Oregon law over ride the Constitution
Sharon, I agree with you and so does a circuit court judge in Baker County. Brown will be appealing this to keep her tyranny going. We all need to do everything we can to keep this information in front of Oregonians- STAND UP TO BROWN and her unconstitutional measures!
We need her out of office! I do not know how to go about it, but I am more than willing to assist in any way. She is destroying our state and controlling the population through fear and unconstitutional measures
Regards, Kevin
https://www.bakercityherald.com/coronavirus/baker-county-judge-overturns-governors-coronavirus-executive-orders/article_14358614-9937-11ea-a333-6f5a7c0928b8.html?fbclid=IwAR2USF9_FQQfnk7T2DIXChtOAsmrJrI8im2JJYsQmWXZ1PHMSIEYesdviTE